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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
		<link>http://inaspaciousplace.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-two-wolves/#comment-4369</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yeah, Jaqueline ...  what you&#039;re saying makes sense.

Perhaps this is what is missing from the Anglican convenant ... the bigger picture ... maybe if the picture is enlarged that might help? And if the picture is enlarged and there is still the type of conflict that threatens to tear apart community, then perhaps that picture can be enlarged even more? ... I&#039;m thinking there gets to be a point when the conflicts start to look trivial in the context of a larger view of the universe ...      

Also thinking the word &quot;disagreement&quot; is perhaps not the entire story  ... perhaps a  better way of looking at it is &quot;diversity&quot; ... as in Canada where we celebrate diversity and talk about the melting pot and as in South Africa where we celebrate the Rainbow Nation.  So we do have seem actual and tested examples to go on here ... so not entirely new.  

Something different starts to happen when we celebrate diversity rather than focusing only on disagreement ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, Jaqueline &#8230;  what you&#8217;re saying makes sense.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is what is missing from the Anglican convenant &#8230; the bigger picture &#8230; maybe if the picture is enlarged that might help? And if the picture is enlarged and there is still the type of conflict that threatens to tear apart community, then perhaps that picture can be enlarged even more? &#8230; I&#8217;m thinking there gets to be a point when the conflicts start to look trivial in the context of a larger view of the universe &#8230;      </p>
<p>Also thinking the word &#8220;disagreement&#8221; is perhaps not the entire story  &#8230; perhaps a  better way of looking at it is &#8220;diversity&#8221; &#8230; as in Canada where we celebrate diversity and talk about the melting pot and as in South Africa where we celebrate the Rainbow Nation.  So we do have seem actual and tested examples to go on here &#8230; so not entirely new.  </p>
<p>Something different starts to happen when we celebrate diversity rather than focusing only on disagreement &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jaqueline</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[disagreement does not work if one side is determined to win at any cost. Disagreement works when each is committed to possiblity that there is something bigger and more important to gain than what is being argued about. 
This is the fundamental difficulty of the Anglican attempt at a covenant. One side wanted to win, to be right, to call the shots.
If that is the goal of one of the parties then the other , when simply speaking up or advocating or telling the truth as it sees it will be seen as threatening that win. The other party does not want to hear , does not want to concede or listen, it just wants to win. And...will even 
accuse 
the other of that very sin. And from it&#039;s point of view to concede 
anything is to compromise it&#039;s win..to concede another view point is to change, and change means weakness and therefore loss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disagreement does not work if one side is determined to win at any cost. Disagreement works when each is committed to possiblity that there is something bigger and more important to gain than what is being argued about.<br />
This is the fundamental difficulty of the Anglican attempt at a covenant. One side wanted to win, to be right, to call the shots.<br />
If that is the goal of one of the parties then the other , when simply speaking up or advocating or telling the truth as it sees it will be seen as threatening that win. The other party does not want to hear , does not want to concede or listen, it just wants to win. And&#8230;will even<br />
accuse<br />
the other of that very sin. And from it&#8217;s point of view to concede<br />
anything is to compromise it&#8217;s win..to concede another view point is to change, and change means weakness and therefore loss.</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, this is the challenge, I find. I can talk about Love in the abstract but when it comes down to practical application it&#039;s not as easy in real life, particularly when attempting to come to some kind of &quot;live and let live&quot; or &quot;agree to disagree&quot; agreement with someone with whom I have a very fundamental difference of opinion. It would be great if the other person &quot;would toddle off and have a merry time thinking they have all the answers&quot;, but unfortunately it&#039;s seldom as simple as that. Life, at least my life, just doesn&#039;t work that way.  

There are real and practical repercussions when community is fragmented and people can&#039;t agree on even the simplest form of civil communication. Trust becomes an issue. Things get blown out of proportion. The level of conflict increases, albeit underground for an extended period of time. People not even directly involved in the original disgreement, become casualties and invariably get caught in the exchange. Sometimes people not even directly involved in the original disagreement try to pursue their own agenda . 

It can happen that some other events can come along and refocus everyone&#039;s attention elsewhere.  This can happen.  It might not. 

It seems to me that when anyone&#039;s strongest negative opinions remain unchallenged there&#039;s another kind of danger in that ...  because our opinions and our fears often form the basis of our actions, albeit negative and unhealthy. I&#039;m thinking disgreement can be healthy and help create a balance .. .something along the lines of Christopher&#039;s blog today ... if we pay careful attention to what it is our overt disagreement is about and also to what is not being said, i.e what is implied. 

I just wish disagreement wasn&#039;t so darn stressful!! It&#039;s a lot easier when the topic being disagreed upon isn&#039;t too close to home, i.e when we don&#039;t have any personal investment in it ...  one way or another ... The way I see it, if the Anglican church can&#039;t figure out a way to negotiate diverse opinions in a postive, life-giving way, within the wider Christian community then what hope do the rest of us have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is the challenge, I find. I can talk about Love in the abstract but when it comes down to practical application it&#8217;s not as easy in real life, particularly when attempting to come to some kind of &#8220;live and let live&#8221; or &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; agreement with someone with whom I have a very fundamental difference of opinion. It would be great if the other person &#8220;would toddle off and have a merry time thinking they have all the answers&#8221;, but unfortunately it&#8217;s seldom as simple as that. Life, at least my life, just doesn&#8217;t work that way.  </p>
<p>There are real and practical repercussions when community is fragmented and people can&#8217;t agree on even the simplest form of civil communication. Trust becomes an issue. Things get blown out of proportion. The level of conflict increases, albeit underground for an extended period of time. People not even directly involved in the original disgreement, become casualties and invariably get caught in the exchange. Sometimes people not even directly involved in the original disagreement try to pursue their own agenda . </p>
<p>It can happen that some other events can come along and refocus everyone&#8217;s attention elsewhere.  This can happen.  It might not. </p>
<p>It seems to me that when anyone&#8217;s strongest negative opinions remain unchallenged there&#8217;s another kind of danger in that &#8230;  because our opinions and our fears often form the basis of our actions, albeit negative and unhealthy. I&#8217;m thinking disgreement can be healthy and help create a balance .. .something along the lines of Christopher&#8217;s blog today &#8230; if we pay careful attention to what it is our overt disagreement is about and also to what is not being said, i.e what is implied. </p>
<p>I just wish disagreement wasn&#8217;t so darn stressful!! It&#8217;s a lot easier when the topic being disagreed upon isn&#8217;t too close to home, i.e when we don&#8217;t have any personal investment in it &#8230;  one way or another &#8230; The way I see it, if the Anglican church can&#8217;t figure out a way to negotiate diverse opinions in a postive, life-giving way, within the wider Christian community then what hope do the rest of us have?</p>
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		<title>By: jaqueline</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must admit I do not have patience with trying to figure out the Anglican covenant...the Nigerian Bishop and all who think he is a good bet...I reckon they can all go and toddle off and have a merry time thinking they have all the answers. 

In my  what makes you an Anglican ought to be be the form of worship.
What makes you a Christian is the love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit I do not have patience with trying to figure out the Anglican covenant&#8230;the Nigerian Bishop and all who think he is a good bet&#8230;I reckon they can all go and toddle off and have a merry time thinking they have all the answers. </p>
<p>In my  what makes you an Anglican ought to be be the form of worship.<br />
What makes you a Christian is the love.</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jaqueline, I&#039;m trying to think of the implications  of this in practical terms,  like what does this mean for example in terms of an Anglican Covenant ...  for a community which is struggling with different perspectives ... and finding it difficult to get out of the sort of &#039;good us versus bad them&#039; paradigms that invariably arise when we hold on strongly to our own perspectives  ...  and when we try to use the law (secular or religious interpretations of ordinances)  to justify our own perspectives ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaqueline, I&#8217;m trying to think of the implications  of this in practical terms,  like what does this mean for example in terms of an Anglican Covenant &#8230;  for a community which is struggling with different perspectives &#8230; and finding it difficult to get out of the sort of &#8216;good us versus bad them&#8217; paradigms that invariably arise when we hold on strongly to our own perspectives  &#8230;  and when we try to use the law (secular or religious interpretations of ordinances)  to justify our own perspectives &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jaqueline, Martin Luther King is a very clear and understandable example ... yes, now I can see that what Jesus did was somehow different. I was wondering whether Jesus allowing himself to be killed, not pulling rank and hearing he took on the sins of the world was in some way similar to a Roman throwing himself on his own sword ... except the shame was not Jesus&#039; shame but ours, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily seem to be the case.  Marin Luther King, for example, I don&#039;t think was throwing himself on his own sword ... there is no indication that this was his intention ...   

This ties in somehow with what Bill Morrow was talking about, sacrifice. As far I as can understand it, in the Old Testament we sacrificed a lamb to either purify the place of God or to purify ourselves of unintentional (vs deliberate) sin.  Okay, so Jesus was the lamb.  He allowed himself to be the sacrifice ... Jesus and Paul they mention a few places the Jesus&#039; blood is the blood of the covenant. 

I&#039;d thought this meant somehow the promises made in the OT that a messiah was going to come ... but it seems there is more to it than that.  I&#039;d always thought the people in the OT were instructed not to ingest the blood of the sacrifice ... that the blood was somehow unclean ... that menstruating women for example, were considered to be somehow unclean ... but apparently, based on what I learned from Bill Morrows talks,  that wasn&#039;t necessarily the case, because while the flesh of the animal was ingested, the blood of the animal signified life ...   and was actually sprinkled around the temple to purify the place, so everyone was instructed not to ingest the blood but to let it flow to the ground. Eating the blood of a sacrifice was considered a big &#039;no, no&#039;.

Okay, so now Jesus comes along and says &#039;I am the sacrifice.&#039; &#039;Eat my flesh AND DRINK MY BLOOD.&#039; So I&#039;m thinking the &#039;eat my flesh&#039; part kinda ties in with the Jewish peoples traditional  view of sacrifice, but the &#039;drink my blood&#039; perhaps part not so much ....  that drinking the blood of a sacrifice was a definite &#039;no, no&#039;  and possibly quite shocking to the people of his time.  

Setting aside any ideas on this being any literal command to actually eat/ drink Jesus body in some kind of cannibal ritual ... I don&#039;t think anyone would have seen it that way in those days anyway. But the idea of drinking the blood, in those times, would have meant something entirely different even from a ritual/ metaphorical perspective than it does to us today ... and been really shocking.  I think nowadays we are in some way more comfortable with drinking blood than eating flesh ... I&#039;m thinking of the popular vampire Twilight series for example. But it was different in those days ...  

What this seems to point to, quite simply is another way of Jesus saying that it&#039;s okay to ingest the life (divinity?) which also kind of ties in with the curtain of the holy Temple place being ripped at the same time ... that we don&#039;t need all the ritual practices and priest to separate us, the common folk, from God.  There seems to be more to the significance of this blood part ... that&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking anyway ... 

Now I&#039;m trying to figure out how Love fits in with this ... and how this brings peace when there was previously enmity ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jaqueline, Martin Luther King is a very clear and understandable example &#8230; yes, now I can see that what Jesus did was somehow different. I was wondering whether Jesus allowing himself to be killed, not pulling rank and hearing he took on the sins of the world was in some way similar to a Roman throwing himself on his own sword &#8230; except the shame was not Jesus&#8217; shame but ours, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily seem to be the case.  Marin Luther King, for example, I don&#8217;t think was throwing himself on his own sword &#8230; there is no indication that this was his intention &#8230;   </p>
<p>This ties in somehow with what Bill Morrow was talking about, sacrifice. As far I as can understand it, in the Old Testament we sacrificed a lamb to either purify the place of God or to purify ourselves of unintentional (vs deliberate) sin.  Okay, so Jesus was the lamb.  He allowed himself to be the sacrifice &#8230; Jesus and Paul they mention a few places the Jesus&#8217; blood is the blood of the covenant. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d thought this meant somehow the promises made in the OT that a messiah was going to come &#8230; but it seems there is more to it than that.  I&#8217;d always thought the people in the OT were instructed not to ingest the blood of the sacrifice &#8230; that the blood was somehow unclean &#8230; that menstruating women for example, were considered to be somehow unclean &#8230; but apparently, based on what I learned from Bill Morrows talks,  that wasn&#8217;t necessarily the case, because while the flesh of the animal was ingested, the blood of the animal signified life &#8230;   and was actually sprinkled around the temple to purify the place, so everyone was instructed not to ingest the blood but to let it flow to the ground. Eating the blood of a sacrifice was considered a big &#8216;no, no&#8217;.</p>
<p>Okay, so now Jesus comes along and says &#8216;I am the sacrifice.&#8217; &#8216;Eat my flesh AND DRINK MY BLOOD.&#8217; So I&#8217;m thinking the &#8216;eat my flesh&#8217; part kinda ties in with the Jewish peoples traditional  view of sacrifice, but the &#8216;drink my blood&#8217; perhaps part not so much &#8230;.  that drinking the blood of a sacrifice was a definite &#8216;no, no&#8217;  and possibly quite shocking to the people of his time.  </p>
<p>Setting aside any ideas on this being any literal command to actually eat/ drink Jesus body in some kind of cannibal ritual &#8230; I don&#8217;t think anyone would have seen it that way in those days anyway. But the idea of drinking the blood, in those times, would have meant something entirely different even from a ritual/ metaphorical perspective than it does to us today &#8230; and been really shocking.  I think nowadays we are in some way more comfortable with drinking blood than eating flesh &#8230; I&#8217;m thinking of the popular vampire Twilight series for example. But it was different in those days &#8230;  </p>
<p>What this seems to point to, quite simply is another way of Jesus saying that it&#8217;s okay to ingest the life (divinity?) which also kind of ties in with the curtain of the holy Temple place being ripped at the same time &#8230; that we don&#8217;t need all the ritual practices and priest to separate us, the common folk, from God.  There seems to be more to the significance of this blood part &#8230; that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking anyway &#8230; </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m trying to figure out how Love fits in with this &#8230; and how this brings peace when there was previously enmity &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jaqueline</title>
		<link>http://inaspaciousplace.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-two-wolves/#comment-4332</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 05:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus was not committing suicide.
Jesus had committed himself to life on earth as a human being and that meant giving up his rights as God and taking on the experience and suffering of being human. He was sentenced to death by a culture that was hurt and disappointed that he didn&#039;t do the human god super hero thing, a culture that also did not like that he was doing the human god super healer thing. Extraordinary people often get killed ( Martin Luther King etc etc ) We all die, us humans....Jesus was suffering that sort of fate. His choice was to NOT pull rank EVEN THOUGH IT MEANT HE WOULD SUFFER TERRIBLY. That is not the same as suicide. That is the same thing as the proverbial a captain going down with his ship..yes, technically the captain could get on a life boat and save his own life...but that is not the point of what his duty is...

As far as I can understand Jesus took on our transgression within himself...he entered into our pulled - apartness when he became human. So that split between flesh and spirit became part of who he is, it became &#039;in&#039; him....but because love and life are perfected in him the split was healed , Not only did Jesus&#039; touch heal whatever it touched on the street, but the very nature of humanity itself was healed by virtue of being Christ&#039;s body. (The law, btw is what signifies death and sin...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was not committing suicide.<br />
Jesus had committed himself to life on earth as a human being and that meant giving up his rights as God and taking on the experience and suffering of being human. He was sentenced to death by a culture that was hurt and disappointed that he didn&#8217;t do the human god super hero thing, a culture that also did not like that he was doing the human god super healer thing. Extraordinary people often get killed ( Martin Luther King etc etc ) We all die, us humans&#8230;.Jesus was suffering that sort of fate. His choice was to NOT pull rank EVEN THOUGH IT MEANT HE WOULD SUFFER TERRIBLY. That is not the same as suicide. That is the same thing as the proverbial a captain going down with his ship..yes, technically the captain could get on a life boat and save his own life&#8230;but that is not the point of what his duty is&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as I can understand Jesus took on our transgression within himself&#8230;he entered into our pulled &#8211; apartness when he became human. So that split between flesh and spirit became part of who he is, it became &#8216;in&#8217; him&#8230;.but because love and life are perfected in him the split was healed , Not only did Jesus&#8217; touch heal whatever it touched on the street, but the very nature of humanity itself was healed by virtue of being Christ&#8217;s body. (The law, btw is what signifies death and sin&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To break this down further there are a few questions I still have buzzing about ...

1. What does it mean to Love your enemy as yourself? First I need to ask:  How do I define my &#039;enemy&#039;? I&#039;m thinking it is anyone or anything I&#039;m in opposition to or don&#039;t agree with and anyone or anything who is opposition to me ... Then what does loving my enemy mean? I&#039;m thinking it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean giving into pressure to sign a contract which agrees with everything my &#039;enemy&#039; wants ... particularly if such contract encourages an unhealthy attitude moving forward or doesn&#039;t benefit all parties in a healthy, life giving way.  I&#039;m thinking that would be akin to signing a contract with the &#039;devil&#039; ... 
 
2. Did Jesus commit suicide? He knew what he was doing. We in the West culture have an abhorrence of suicide. It&#039;s not necessarily like that in other cultures ... I&#039;m thinking of Japanese Samurai - hara kiri, Romans falling on their sword, Islamic suicide bombers ... but in all these cases suicides seems like an honourable path to take ... often as a means of taking away shame.  In Christian teaching we are encouraged to lay down our life for a friend though. Maybe that&#039;s similar. Are we with our Western philosophy being heavily influenced by the idea that Jesus died for us on the cross to take away the shame so we don&#039;t have any shame, therefore we don&#039;t get to view suicide the same way? Judas committed suicide and look at how we still view and revile him today. We don&#039;t see Judas&#039; death as an honourable suicide. Maybe in those days it was? Was Jewish tradition of the Old Testament always against taking one&#039;s own life?  I don&#039;t know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To break this down further there are a few questions I still have buzzing about &#8230;</p>
<p>1. What does it mean to Love your enemy as yourself? First I need to ask:  How do I define my &#8216;enemy&#8217;? I&#8217;m thinking it is anyone or anything I&#8217;m in opposition to or don&#8217;t agree with and anyone or anything who is opposition to me &#8230; Then what does loving my enemy mean? I&#8217;m thinking it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean giving into pressure to sign a contract which agrees with everything my &#8216;enemy&#8217; wants &#8230; particularly if such contract encourages an unhealthy attitude moving forward or doesn&#8217;t benefit all parties in a healthy, life giving way.  I&#8217;m thinking that would be akin to signing a contract with the &#8216;devil&#8217; &#8230; </p>
<p>2. Did Jesus commit suicide? He knew what he was doing. We in the West culture have an abhorrence of suicide. It&#8217;s not necessarily like that in other cultures &#8230; I&#8217;m thinking of Japanese Samurai &#8211; hara kiri, Romans falling on their sword, Islamic suicide bombers &#8230; but in all these cases suicides seems like an honourable path to take &#8230; often as a means of taking away shame.  In Christian teaching we are encouraged to lay down our life for a friend though. Maybe that&#8217;s similar. Are we with our Western philosophy being heavily influenced by the idea that Jesus died for us on the cross to take away the shame so we don&#8217;t have any shame, therefore we don&#8217;t get to view suicide the same way? Judas committed suicide and look at how we still view and revile him today. We don&#8217;t see Judas&#8217; death as an honourable suicide. Maybe in those days it was? Was Jewish tradition of the Old Testament always against taking one&#8217;s own life?  I don&#8217;t know?</p>
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		<title>By: lindsay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, let&#039;s see if I understand this ... going back to Ephesians chapter2: 4-13 first, to try to get a bit of context, Jesus came to promote peace amongst everyone, not only the Jewish people, but the Gentiles too. In order to do this he is prepared to abolish the &quot;commandments contained in ordinances&quot; for example the requirement to circumcise boy children,  to bring peace where there is hostility and enmity arising from the ordinances. 

Okay, so what are ordinances? Google tells me:

or·di·nance  (ôrdn-ns)
n.
1. An authoritative command or order.
2. A custom or practice established by long usage.
3. A Christian rite, especially the Eucharist.
4. A statute or regulation, especially one enacted by a city government.

It sounds like an ordinance is a mechanism used to govern, control, maintain order through external means, for example laws or ritual practice.

How does Paul see Jesus doing this?

This is where it gets a bit tricky and confusing. How does this apply in practical terms .... Through Jesus&#039; blood and flesh, he has attempted to break down the wall of separation and made one body of two people. I don&#039;t completely understand the blood and flesh part. But having listened to Bill Morrow&#039;s talks on ritual practice in the old testament recently, maybe I can try to do this based on what I&#039;ve learnt, and having been through a whole lot of attempts at informal  as well as legal contract making myself recently, and the pressures this brings to bear and also thinking about the Anglican covenant and recently seeing how Jesus&#039; role in bringing about his own death was active rather than passive ...  perhaps to throw it all in the pot and see what comes out ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s see if I understand this &#8230; going back to Ephesians chapter2: 4-13 first, to try to get a bit of context, Jesus came to promote peace amongst everyone, not only the Jewish people, but the Gentiles too. In order to do this he is prepared to abolish the &#8220;commandments contained in ordinances&#8221; for example the requirement to circumcise boy children,  to bring peace where there is hostility and enmity arising from the ordinances. </p>
<p>Okay, so what are ordinances? Google tells me:</p>
<p>or·di·nance  (ôrdn-ns)<br />
n.<br />
1. An authoritative command or order.<br />
2. A custom or practice established by long usage.<br />
3. A Christian rite, especially the Eucharist.<br />
4. A statute or regulation, especially one enacted by a city government.</p>
<p>It sounds like an ordinance is a mechanism used to govern, control, maintain order through external means, for example laws or ritual practice.</p>
<p>How does Paul see Jesus doing this?</p>
<p>This is where it gets a bit tricky and confusing. How does this apply in practical terms &#8230;. Through Jesus&#8217; blood and flesh, he has attempted to break down the wall of separation and made one body of two people. I don&#8217;t completely understand the blood and flesh part. But having listened to Bill Morrow&#8217;s talks on ritual practice in the old testament recently, maybe I can try to do this based on what I&#8217;ve learnt, and having been through a whole lot of attempts at informal  as well as legal contract making myself recently, and the pressures this brings to bear and also thinking about the Anglican covenant and recently seeing how Jesus&#8217; role in bringing about his own death was active rather than passive &#8230;  perhaps to throw it all in the pot and see what comes out &#8230;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh ,,,look what I found in Ephesians today!!
Chapter 2: 14-18

For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new person out of the two, thus making peace,  and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ,,,look what I found in Ephesians today!!<br />
Chapter 2: 14-18</p>
<p>For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new person out of the two, thus making peace,  and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.</p>
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